Posts by Jonathan Drake

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Do Jehovah Witnesses give out mis-information deliberately?

by smiddy in

do you think it is possible that the g.b.is deliberately giving out mis-information to confuse either apostates or media that might be investigating them for one reason or another ?

speak out of both corners of their mouth .

and the reason they do so ?

JW speaks for all French JW's

by Jonathan Drake in

jw
friends

http://letterstotheeditorblog.dallasnews.com/2015/01/jehovahs-witness-respect-us.html/.

click the link on the page at the top next to "re:" for full story.

i wonder if this guy had permission to address the media on watchtowers response?

Jonathan Drake

I just realized that it's not in francem it's a response to the other article (which I knew) which was written by someone with the last name French. Lol

still, fun times,

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JW speaks for all French JW's

by Jonathan Drake in

jw
friends

http://letterstotheeditorblog.dallasnews.com/2015/01/jehovahs-witness-respect-us.html/.

click the link on the page at the top next to "re:" for full story.

i wonder if this guy had permission to address the media on watchtowers response?

Jonathan Drake

The entire point of their door to door work is to convert people.
And they are so successful with that aren't they? What does that have to do with forcing NON-JW's from celebrating holidays? What school has been picketed by JW's insisting that the entire school stop the flag salute or stop celebrating holidays?

The point of a protest is not to force (which would not be "peaceful" and therefore illegal) but to convince and bring about change. His argument was that they do not try to convince. I demonstrated that they do. He was lying.

Regardless of their success rate, it doesn't stop them from going door to door in an effort to convince others of their cause and their rightness so that they join them. He was saying they do not do this at all, regardless of whether or not they succeed.

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JW speaks for all French JW's

by Jonathan Drake in

jw
friends

http://letterstotheeditorblog.dallasnews.com/2015/01/jehovahs-witness-respect-us.html/.

click the link on the page at the top next to "re:" for full story.

i wonder if this guy had permission to address the media on watchtowers response?

Jonathan Drake

Jonathan, I have read your comments at that site and in my opinion, you are trying to twist what is said and trying to provoke.
But that's my opinion.
JW's aren't trying to prevent the public from celebrating holidays. You know that they share their beliefs in the PUBLIC ministry but they don't get engaged in preventing non-JWs from having holidays.
We do not look to stop people from practicing their holiday's whether public or private, we just want people to respect our conscience in abstaining.

The entire point of their door to door work (which is public in nature) is to convert people. Hence it is, in fact, an effort to stop them from celebrating holidays as well as many other things - including, but not limited to, dying instead of accepting blood.

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JW speaks for all French JW's

by Jonathan Drake in

jw
friends

http://letterstotheeditorblog.dallasnews.com/2015/01/jehovahs-witness-respect-us.html/.

click the link on the page at the top next to "re:" for full story.

i wonder if this guy had permission to address the media on watchtowers response?

Jonathan Drake

DISCLAIMER: I do not seek to encourage any to take up commenting on the article I posted above.

OMG, anyone willing please check the comment section of that article. Maybe you won't get as much of a kick out of it as I am, but I find it hilarious. The one commenter blatantly contradicted himself and he probably doesn't even feel that he did.

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JW speaks for all French JW's

by Jonathan Drake in

jw
friends

http://letterstotheeditorblog.dallasnews.com/2015/01/jehovahs-witness-respect-us.html/.

click the link on the page at the top next to "re:" for full story.

i wonder if this guy had permission to address the media on watchtowers response?

Jonathan Drake

http://letterstotheeditorblog.dallasnews.com/2015/01/jehovahs-witness-respect-us.html/

Click the link on the page at the top next to "Re:" for full story.

I wonder if this guy had permission to address the media on Watchtowers response? Straight up called the guy a fool.

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A random HISTORY of that old rugged cross used by JW's until 1931

by TerryWalstrom in

corinthians 1:18, holman christian standard bible "for to those who are perishing the message of the cross is foolishness, but to us who are being saved it is gods power.

an austrian radiologist, hermann moedder, experimented with medical students in the 40's, hanging them by their wrists with their hands directly above their heads (much like the watchtower pictures jesus on a stake).

in a few minutes, the students became pale, their lung capacity dropped from 5.2 to 1.5 liters, blood pressure decreased and the pulse rate increased.

Jonathan Drake

@village

oh cool, I don't remember reading that bit. I've read two books about Rome and I only own one of them

http://www.amazon.com/Rome-Empires-Story-Greg-Woolf/dp/0199325189/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1422584325&sr=8-1&keywords=Rome+an+empire

im not sure if the bit about places of execution was in that book or the one I got from the library. But I THINK it was this one... It was a good book.

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"Why are we supposed to be happy when people are killed?" From a 10 year old

by stuckinarut2 in

i was really overjoyed to hear a 10 year old in the hall say this the other day.

she was sitting behind us and whispered to her mum during the meeting:.

"so mummy, why are we supposed to be happy when jehovah kills people, including my friends at school?

Jonathan Drake

Good kid.

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A random HISTORY of that old rugged cross used by JW's until 1931

by TerryWalstrom in

corinthians 1:18, holman christian standard bible "for to those who are perishing the message of the cross is foolishness, but to us who are being saved it is gods power.

an austrian radiologist, hermann moedder, experimented with medical students in the 40's, hanging them by their wrists with their hands directly above their heads (much like the watchtower pictures jesus on a stake).

in a few minutes, the students became pale, their lung capacity dropped from 5.2 to 1.5 liters, blood pressure decreased and the pulse rate increased.

Jonathan Drake

This is great. Jws hate the cross, but it's absolutely undeniable he would have died on a cross. there were different kinds of crucifixions performed. But whenever the Romans had a place of execution (I.e., the "skull place") the stakes were permanently affixed to the ground. So that being a historical fact, what part did Jesus carry? Hmmmm

also how heavy would that stake have to be? I've thought about that before and they probably used a long tall log. Long enough to hang the human body high off the ground and strong enough not to break. No way he carried his actual stake. Cross beam? Sure. Stake, no way.

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Be nice to theists - they are victims of their genes

by cofty in

identical twin studies show there is a strong inheritable component to religiosity.

thomas bouchard studied identical and fraternal twins raised apart and tested them on religious attitudes.. the correlation for the former turned out to be 62% compared to just 2% for the latter.

his colleague.

Jonathan Drake

What is the distinction and where is the difference in a genetically influenced religious person and a non-genetically influenced humanist?

Thsts a good question, hopefully the book will cover such things. Without reading I would guess:

id say there is no distinction, but that the difference is where a persons genetics influences them to be religious they have the ability to use reason and experience to choose otherwise. Same with the humanist.

so the outcome is the same, but the difference is the means the end was accomplished - either with reason over inherent influence or inherent influence over reason.

As as to the rest of your post, personally I don't see a difference no.